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December 30, 2006

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I've just come back from reading Riverbend's blog and now yours for the second time. I'm not a good enough writer to put into words the profound sadness I feel for the world today.

I do like the budhist ideal.For the many who've suffered, they think justice was done. However In seeing the tapes of Mr.
Hussein, all I could see was saddness in a tired old man. I believe this did not resovle anything and could be used for much more violence. Peace to all in the new year.cw

After reading your post the first time, I tried to write a comment and just couldn't. Then my bloglines site noted that you had a new post and I went to Riverbend's site. I used to read her blog a lot but stopped because it made me so disgusted.

I read her post with great discomfort because I know what she writes is true. Of course we don't get this kind of news or this kind of report in the US — since most media is owned by big corporations who profit from the conflict. It's funny that we brag about our Freedom of Press.

I still don't know what to write except that I hope the world knows that not all Americans support the Bush regime and not all of us were tricked into believing his lies. I believe he is a war criminal and should be tried for it.

I find myself in tears, feeling nothing but a huge sense of loving compassion for all involved.
The simple truth of Shantideva's words are a teaching I wish the world could see

XXPixieXX

I believe that a majority of American churches are publicly against the death penalty. The problem lies in that vengeance feelings are good in the heart of the victims and of who sympathises with them only. More abstractly, there is the interpretation of the US Constitution about happiness, cruel punishment etc. As well as the "You shall not kill", whose meaning at the times of the Old Testament was more "You shall not kill, otherwise..." Skimming over Mr Terry's post is interesting enough. Examples of death penalty are common in the Old Testament and there is a famous one the the New Testament.

I cannot help thinking about the Amish nowadays...

Like Sean, I hope the rest of the world does not judge America by Bush and his actions. Likewise, I hope that the world does not judge Christianity by Thomas Terry.

It is sad that many (most?) of the members of any faith community do not live as their founders would have wished. Jesus taught that we should love God and love our neighbor as ourselves; that we should judge not lest we be judged; that we should love our enemies. It is obvious, though, that most Christians do not conduct themselves according to these admonitions on a constant, day-to-day basis. If every one of our actions was done in accordance with just these three things, how different our faith community would be!

It is often difficult to follow Jesus' teachings. I only hope that in the cosmic scheme of things my efforts and intentions count, because like everyone else, I fall short no matter how hard I try.

"Here's another saying that deserves a second look 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth.' Is that going to get us anywhere? here's what I propose:'Don't hit back at all.' If someone strikes you, stand there and take it. If someone drags you into court and sues you for the shirt off your back, giftwrap your gest coat and make a present of it. And if someone takes unfair advantage of you, use the occasion to practice the servant life; No more tit-for-tat stuff. Live generously.
You're familiar with the old writen law, 'love your friend', and it's unwritten companion, 'Hate your enemay.' I'm challenging that. I'm telling you to love your enemies. Let them bring out the best in you, not the worst. When someone gives you a hard time, respond with the energies of prayer, for then you are working out of your true selves, your God-created selves. This is what God does. He gives his best- the sun to warm and the rain to nourish - to everyone, regardless: the good and bad, the nice and nasty." Jesus, as quoted in Matthew 25, The Message version

My dear sister! That version of the excerpt from the Sermon on the Mount sounds so much like my own teacher, both in style and substance, it's eerie. And I agree. If even a slim majority of the world actually lived their lives according to Christ's injunctions in that talk alone...well, it would look like a miracle, wouldn't it?

And Kay? If, as a Christian, you took the time to send a package of coffee, etc., to a chilly Buddhist monk in Mongolia (I'm using the mug right this minute), well, I have to think there must be some kind of heaven waiting for you somewhere!

Happy New Year Konchog! May everything be auspicious for you in 2007!

A Jordanian friend, who is a moderate, was angry at the Eid Holiday timing, but not nessarily at the act of the execution itself.

This morning, a friend from Iran pinged me on chat to ask what Israelis were saying. He was surprised that Israelis didn't seem to care one way or another. There is no death penalty in Israel and I heard no one voice satisfaction at the death of Hussein. Why voice satisfaction when he's no longer relevent?

The Shias seem pleased with the execution, but the rest of the Arabs are angry, even the ones who weren't particularly fond of Hussein.

Nice to see that Riverbend's posting again.

"but please tell me that State-sponsored murder has not become a mainstream Christian value in the United States."

Okay; state-sponsered murder is not a mainstream Christian value in the United States.

And if you believe that, there's a bridge in New York I'd love to sell to you...

Have you read "Three Kingdoms"? There's one war expedition that is led by a Han advisor (Kongming) against the Man people. (Who are they?) It's called the "Southern Espedition," and by the animals described in the story and other details, I've guessed that it took place in an area bordering Mesopotamia. Perhaps you know the history of the setting better?

Anyway, the story was probably written 900 years ago, and it's set about 1800 years ago. Despite this expanse of time, the way the advisors recommends settling the differences between the two nations seems a heck of a lot better then what's going on today.

As Kongming notes, it does nothing to take a city when you know the people there will never be agreeable a foreign governement being set up there. As soon as forces leave, the same problems return. It's better to negotiate with the government itself to some kind of compromise or working understanding. Also, as they left, advisors asked Kongming, "Why don't we leave some of our people in charge?" He replied by posing the exact problem facing us today. (1)That area has always been, and always will be unstable, (2)The people there will never trust or accept foreigners in governement, (3)If Kongming were to leave people to supervise the government, they would need military protection due the the people's mistrust and dislike for foreigners, and finally (4)Keeping long-term military forces in place was impractical, expensive, and doomed to fail. Providing adequately for the military there would be impossible.

Rather than hunt down the leaders and exterminate them, Kongming persues the most influential one (Meng Tuo) and catches-and-releases him seven times, each time trying to earn Meng's respect. Eventually, the two come to a working relationship. It's not ideal, but it's better than ongoing problems and undisguised hostility on both sides. For years, the UN's inspectors did just that with Hussein. The result was not perfect, but it beat the heck out of this current mess.

And people have the nerve to refer to Chinggis Khaan as a 'barbarian'...
I can't say I'm sad to see Saddam go -- he was a brutal murderer. Unfortunmately, the way this was carried out just proves he was right in his criticism of the arbitrary way this Maliki gov't functions.
The new government could have handled this better -- put him in prison, or sent him to the States or to the Hague as a war criminal for permanent detention. This is just another nail in the coffin of good government for Iraq.

There were other options. And if they decided to keep the death penalty, it certainly could have been done more humanely.
This was the type of circus you'd see in the 1840s Wild West, from the footage I saw.

I was just checking in to see if anyone knew who the "Man People" where 1800 years ago, and where they lived. (question in my post above)

It's interesting to me that I haven't heard much of an update in the news (the US news, anyway) about any fallout from the execution. Admittedly, I could stand to read my webnews more thoroughly, but I was wondering what everyone else had heard. The biggest related thing in our news lately is how Bush has replaced many important positions (getting rid of anyone who disagrees with him, it seems) in a part of his push to step up the numbers in Iraq. I'm glad the new house speaker has promised to fight his plan, but who knows how successful she'll be. It hasn't been tried before!

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Mongolia Bird List: "L" = Lifer

  • Amur Falcon -- L
  • Arctic (Hoary) Redpoll -- L
  • Arctic Warbler -- L
  • Asian Brown Flycatcher -- L
  • Asian Dowitcher -- L
  • Asian Short-toed Lark -- L
  • Azure Tit -- L
  • Bank Swallow
  • Bar-headed Goose -- L
  • Barn Swallow
  • Bean Goose -- L
  • Black Grouse -- L
  • Black Stork -- L
  • Black Woodpecker -- L
  • Black-billed Magpie
  • Black-eared Kite -- L
  • Black-headed Gull -- L
  • Black-tailed Godwit -- L
  • Black-winged Stilt
  • Blyth's Pipit -- L
  • Bohemian Waxwing -- L
  • Booted Eagle -- L
  • Brown Shrike -- L
  • Carrion Crow
  • Chinese Penduline Tit -- L
  • Chukar -- L
  • Cinereous Vulture
  • Citrine Wagtail -- L
  • Coal Tit
  • Common Cuckoo
  • Common Goldeneye
  • Common Greenshank -- L
  • Common Kestrel
  • Common Merganser
  • Common Pochard -- L
  • Common Raven
  • Common Redpoll
  • Common Redshank -- L
  • Common Rosefinch -- L
  • Common Sandpiper
  • Common Shelduck -- L
  • Common Snipe -- L
  • Common Starling
  • Common Swift
  • Common Tern
  • Crested Lark -- L
  • Curlew Sandpiper -- L
  • Dark-throated Thrush -- L
  • Daurian Jackdaw -- L
  • Daurian Partridge -- L
  • Daurian Redstart -- L
  • Demoiselle Crane -- L
  • Desert Warbler -- L
  • Desert Wheatear -- L
  • Dusky Thrush -- L
  • Dusky Warbler -- L
  • Eared Grebe
  • Eurasian Bullfinch -- L
  • Eurasian Coot -- L
  • Eurasian Curlew -- L
  • Eurasian Griffon
  • Eurasian Hobby
  • Eurasian Jay
  • Eurasian Nutcracker -- L
  • Eurasian Nuthatch -- L
  • Eurasian Skylark
  • Eurasian Sparrowhawk
  • Eurasian Spoonbill -- L
  • Eurasian Three-toed Woodpecker -- L
  • Eurasian Tree Sparrow
  • Eurasian Treecreeper -- L
  • Eurasian Wigeon -- L
  • Eurasian Wryneck -- L
  • Eyebrowed Thrush -- L
  • Falcated Duck -- L
  • Fork-tailed Swift -- L
  • Gadwall
  • Garganey -- L
  • Godlewski's Bunting -- L
  • Goldcrest -- L
  • Golden Eagle
  • Gray Heron
  • Gray Wagtail -- L
  • Great Cormorant
  • Great Crested Grebe
  • Great Gray Shrike -- L
  • Great Spotted Woodpecker
  • Great Tit
  • Greater Short-toed Lark -- L
  • Greater Spotted Eagle -- L
  • Green Sandpiper -- L
  • Green-winged Teal
  • Greenish Warbler -- L
  • Hawfinch -- L
  • Hazel Grouse -- L
  • Hen/Northern Harrier
  • Herring Gull
  • Hill Pigeon -- L
  • Hoopoe
  • Horned Grebe
  • Horned Lark
  • House Sparrow
  • Isabelline Shrike -- L
  • Isabelline Wheatear -- L
  • Kentish (Snowy) Plover -- L
  • Lesser Spotted Woodpecker -- L
  • Lesser Whitethroat -- L
  • Little Bunting -- L
  • Little Owl -- L
  • Little Ringed Plover
  • Long-tailed Rosefinch
  • Long-tailed Tit
  • Long-toed Stint -- L
  • Mallard
  • Marsh Sandpiper
  • Meadow Bunting -- L
  • Mew Gull -- L
  • Mongolian Finch -- L
  • Mongolian Ground-jay -- L
  • Mongolian Lark -- L
  • Northern Lapwing -- L
  • Northern Pintail
  • Northern Shoveler
  • Northern Wheatear
  • Olive-backed Pipit -- L
  • Oriental Plover -- L
  • Oriental Reed Warbler -- L
  • Oriental Turtle Dove
  • Pacific Golden-plover -- L
  • Paddyfield Warbler -- L
  • Pallas' Reed Bunting -- L
  • Pallas's Leaf Warbler -- L
  • Pallas's Sandgrouse -- L
  • Peregrine Falcon
  • Pied Avocet -- L
  • Pied Wheatear -- L
  • Pine Bunting -- L
  • Pine Grosbeak -- L
  • Pintail Snipe -- L
  • Red (Common) Crossbill
  • Red-billed Chough -- L
  • Red-crested Pochard -- L
  • Red-flanked Bluetail -- L
  • Red-necked Grebe
  • Red-throated Flycatcher -- L
  • Richard's Pipit -- L
  • Rock Dove
  • Rock Sparrow -- L
  • Rook -- L
  • Ruddy Shelduck -- L
  • Ruddy Turnstone
  • Ruff -- L
  • Rufous-tailed Robin -- L
  • Saker Falcon -- L
  • Scaly Thrush -- L
  • Sharp-tailed Sandpiper -- L
  • Siberian Accentor -- L
  • Siberian Rubythroat -- L
  • Smew -- L
  • Spotted Flycatcher -- L
  • Spotted Redshank -- L
  • Steppe Eagle -- L
  • Swan Goose -- L
  • Temminck's Stint -- L
  • Thick-billed Warbler -- L
  • Tree Pipit -- L
  • Tufted Duck -- L
  • Twite -- L
  • Upland Buzzard -- L
  • Ural Owl -- L
  • Water Pipit -- L
  • White Wagtail
  • White-cheeked Starling -- L
  • White-naped Crane -- L
  • White-winged (Two-barred) Crossbill -- L
  • White-winged Scoter
  • White-winged Tern -- L
  • Whooper Swan -- L
  • Willow Tit -- L
  • Wood Sandpiper -- L
  • Yellow-billed Grosbeak -- L
  • Yellow-browed (Inornate) Warbler -- L