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March 03, 2007

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Tenent... snort! Isn't it lovely of Mr Terry to give you such a wonderful opportunity to practice patience and compassion... for someone who is not only ignorant of his theology but can't speak his own language either! As for Ms Coulter, this dyke thinks that being called a faggot by her is actually probably a complement.

Just want to send you blessings and aloha for all that you do and for the depth of your caring. I know hardly anything about Buddhism but I am getting a bit of enlightenment. Thanks! (I'm also busy knitting for the Dulaan project.)

Wasn't yesterday the day Buddha showed the last of the 15 miracles he had been showing since the first of the month? Anyway, I'm overjoyed to hear the Nyingma lineage spreading in Mongolia. As for Mr. Terry, have you ever considred tracking him down and explaining Buddhism to him?

Those are all such wonderful photos.

Ann Coulter: spit.

Mr. Terry just proves the old saying "Figures don't lie, but liars can figure"! I am Christian, and am embarrassed by people like that.

I can't link to Mr. Terry without getting all indignant, so I won't. I choose instead to contemplate the things you shared with us today about the Buddhist nature of love. Thank you. I very much enjoy this part of your blog. More than I thought I would. A new picture of Flokina wouldn't be amiss, however. *cheeky grin*

What can I add?

“The biggest difference between Buddhism and Christianity is that of love."

This is a summary of what is coming next.

"‘In Buddhism,’ as more than one former Mongolian Buddhist has told me, ‘there is no love.’ In other words, there is no God who expresses love for His creation."

Mr Terry uses some common English words (apart from "tenant":) as used in Christian theology, which is rather technical, thus potentially misleading. Paul in his letters is the first recorded occurrence of that subversion of the language with the purpose of converting. (He was a genius, but this is another story.) So, for Mr Terry, "love=love of God for His creation". Then, I must agree that, indeed, in Buddhism, there is no love, because there is no God, no creation, no Christian theology by definition.

"Not only is there no love, attachments are discouraged."

This is true in the context of some canonical teachings, where the Buddha warns the monks on the dangers of attachments. Again, the audience is people who renounced to live amid the society, so that makes sense. Addressing the laity, the discourse is different, obviously.

"Man is left to discover how to achieve his enlightenment on his own, without any guarantee that his chosen path – Buddhism – is the correct path."

This is a rather strange statement, since Buddhism is a well established religion for quite a time, so there are beacons to guide who is seeking the path. And the Buddha gives garantees all the time about the efficiency of understanding and practicing his teachings diligently.

"But in Christianity, man is not left to his own devices and deceptions."

Ah, the "deception" word was used in a previous paragraph in "the spiritual deceptions of Eastern religious thought." So it may be a pick against Buddhism, not an argument, saying that Christianity saves from Buddhism. Or, it is a reference to the siners we are supposed to be in the Christian theology? (A favorite topic of Evangelical pastors, which too often allows them to dominate the others by inspiring them guilt.)

"In addition, not only are attachments encouraged, they are actually commanded!"

That is indeed cryptic! The only attachment I remember is about leaving one's parents after the marriage and attach oneself to the spouse, because, as Paul said, sexuality makes them one flesh. Otherwise, Jesus is constantly encouraging the people to quite everything, especially the Apostles must abandon everything on the spot. "Who is my family?" he asked the crowed. And the family of Jesus did not believed in him as well (e.g. John's Gospel about his brothers, but there are other occurrences). He said he came to be a cause of scandal (i.e. a source of doubts in the faith, like one's foot hits a stone while walking). He spoke about turning one brother against another etc. So, "command attachment"? I don't think so, it is more about family break ups, a revolution, so this seems to me so much more radical than the Buddha. But maybe some Christian would care to enlighten me as well?

"There can be no love with attachment."

"without attachement" perhaps? Probably nobody noticed, anyway...

"There can be no true compassion without passion.”

Ah ah, "passion" is a typical theological puppet. The passion of Christ. And it is true that the suffering of the oppressed people in the Psalms and Esaiah, the servant humbled etc., is interpreted as a prophecy about Jesus, so his ignominious death, not forseen by the Old Testament (search for a cross...), becomes the redemption, something positive, something that saves. (Otherwise, Jesus is simply a false prophet, so the topic is of utmost importance.) So it is true that passion, suffering, has a positive connotation in Christian theology because it is associated with the compassion (of Christ for us), the sacrifice.

Not in Buddhism.

Is it Christmas already? So many Carols...

Christian -- that's exactly how I would have addressed each of the points, except more ill-informed scripturally and with less eloquence and with generous dollops of sarcasm. But otherwise exactly the same!

Thanks, lama Konchog, but you would have written with a better orthography. Ah la la...

Another possible explanation - the basic messages of Christianity are actually very similar to Buddhism: love unconditionally, cultivate virtue, etc. I think the reason Christianity gets so twisted is because like all other religions, it gets filtered through the culture that practices it. Western culture encourages aggression, valuing material goods as a sign of both wealth and happiness, and attachment to desires. Watch any beer commercial and you'll see all three. I would like to think that it's not Christianity that is the source of that Ann Coulter-style hatred, but rather the culture that has enveloped it.

Ah, "cultivating attachments" sounds like evangelicalese for making friends with people for the sole purpose of converting them to Christianity,(aka Churchianity/Christendom).

The two real commandments for followers of Jesus are simply, Love the Lord thy God and Love thy neighbour as thyself.

Passion and suffering in Christianity has been under two millenia of debate about scriptural interpretation. Put the term, Penal Substitution and er, er, enjoy the debate/war?!?!

First, it seems that every religion has its share of extremist and fanatic nuts. Christianity does seem to have more than its share, though.
To me, the comments re: attachments and the word itself are very ambiguous and that alone make me very distrustful of Mr Terry. Even more so when he is preying upon a vulnerable and naive popluation struggling in so many ways for survival as well as re-establishing its ethnic identity of which Buddhism is an integral part after so many years of Soviet domination.
In case I was missing something re: the definition of attachment(s), I held my nose and linked to his site.
Many things are there, but this person didn't find or feel the smallest bit of the love of Christ or the Holy Spirit. Honestly, while exploring the site, that old saying of how you don't use the word you are trying to define in the definition kept coming to my mind as it rambled so.
One detail that really stood out to me was that he was not sourcing Budhist writings themselves. If I wanted to learn about Islam, for example, without question, I would include the Koran in my readings as well as a variety of their own respected scholars.
Also, he wrote about new, passionate Christians who had very little knowledge about the Bible. Is it not certainly possible that his converts had an equal knowledge of Buddhism (ie very, very little?) especially as that religion suffered so under the Soviet regime. While certainly the anonymous person might not want their name mentioned, he does not make any reference such as scholar, priest, monk or what have you or that person's knowledge of Buddhism.
The attachment(s) comments are so vague and ambiguous, they could easily be twisted and interpreted anyway it suited one. Not at plain and clear like "love your neighbor as your self" and (just for Mr Terry) "get the log out of your own eye first before you get the speck out of your neighbor's."
Just so we are clear, I am a Christian and am totally biased towards that but feel for me to be respectful of others' faiths and beliefs is more of a witness of the Love of Christ (as well as knitting for Dulaan). Who is with me in believing if we are open and receptive, we can see the love of God in so many ways...for example, the She-Floki and the Mooj?
I also think that God must surely get really ticked off at the things done in His name.

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Mongolia Bird List: "L" = Lifer

  • Amur Falcon -- L
  • Arctic (Hoary) Redpoll -- L
  • Arctic Warbler -- L
  • Asian Brown Flycatcher -- L
  • Asian Dowitcher -- L
  • Asian Short-toed Lark -- L
  • Azure Tit -- L
  • Bank Swallow
  • Bar-headed Goose -- L
  • Barn Swallow
  • Bean Goose -- L
  • Black Grouse -- L
  • Black Stork -- L
  • Black Woodpecker -- L
  • Black-billed Magpie
  • Black-eared Kite -- L
  • Black-headed Gull -- L
  • Black-tailed Godwit -- L
  • Black-winged Stilt
  • Blyth's Pipit -- L
  • Bohemian Waxwing -- L
  • Booted Eagle -- L
  • Brown Shrike -- L
  • Carrion Crow
  • Chinese Penduline Tit -- L
  • Chukar -- L
  • Cinereous Vulture
  • Citrine Wagtail -- L
  • Coal Tit
  • Common Cuckoo
  • Common Goldeneye
  • Common Greenshank -- L
  • Common Kestrel
  • Common Merganser
  • Common Pochard -- L
  • Common Raven
  • Common Redpoll
  • Common Redshank -- L
  • Common Rosefinch -- L
  • Common Sandpiper
  • Common Shelduck -- L
  • Common Snipe -- L
  • Common Starling
  • Common Swift
  • Common Tern
  • Crested Lark -- L
  • Curlew Sandpiper -- L
  • Dark-throated Thrush -- L
  • Daurian Jackdaw -- L
  • Daurian Partridge -- L
  • Daurian Redstart -- L
  • Demoiselle Crane -- L
  • Desert Warbler -- L
  • Desert Wheatear -- L
  • Dusky Thrush -- L
  • Dusky Warbler -- L
  • Eared Grebe
  • Eurasian Bullfinch -- L
  • Eurasian Coot -- L
  • Eurasian Curlew -- L
  • Eurasian Griffon
  • Eurasian Hobby
  • Eurasian Jay
  • Eurasian Nutcracker -- L
  • Eurasian Nuthatch -- L
  • Eurasian Skylark
  • Eurasian Sparrowhawk
  • Eurasian Spoonbill -- L
  • Eurasian Three-toed Woodpecker -- L
  • Eurasian Tree Sparrow
  • Eurasian Treecreeper -- L
  • Eurasian Wigeon -- L
  • Eurasian Wryneck -- L
  • Eyebrowed Thrush -- L
  • Falcated Duck -- L
  • Fork-tailed Swift -- L
  • Gadwall
  • Garganey -- L
  • Godlewski's Bunting -- L
  • Goldcrest -- L
  • Golden Eagle
  • Gray Heron
  • Gray Wagtail -- L
  • Great Cormorant
  • Great Crested Grebe
  • Great Gray Shrike -- L
  • Great Spotted Woodpecker
  • Great Tit
  • Greater Short-toed Lark -- L
  • Greater Spotted Eagle -- L
  • Green Sandpiper -- L
  • Green-winged Teal
  • Greenish Warbler -- L
  • Hawfinch -- L
  • Hazel Grouse -- L
  • Hen/Northern Harrier
  • Herring Gull
  • Hill Pigeon -- L
  • Hoopoe
  • Horned Grebe
  • Horned Lark
  • House Sparrow
  • Isabelline Shrike -- L
  • Isabelline Wheatear -- L
  • Kentish (Snowy) Plover -- L
  • Lesser Spotted Woodpecker -- L
  • Lesser Whitethroat -- L
  • Little Bunting -- L
  • Little Owl -- L
  • Little Ringed Plover
  • Long-tailed Rosefinch
  • Long-tailed Tit
  • Long-toed Stint -- L
  • Mallard
  • Marsh Sandpiper
  • Meadow Bunting -- L
  • Mew Gull -- L
  • Mongolian Finch -- L
  • Mongolian Ground-jay -- L
  • Mongolian Lark -- L
  • Northern Lapwing -- L
  • Northern Pintail
  • Northern Shoveler
  • Northern Wheatear
  • Olive-backed Pipit -- L
  • Oriental Plover -- L
  • Oriental Reed Warbler -- L
  • Oriental Turtle Dove
  • Pacific Golden-plover -- L
  • Paddyfield Warbler -- L
  • Pallas' Reed Bunting -- L
  • Pallas's Leaf Warbler -- L
  • Pallas's Sandgrouse -- L
  • Peregrine Falcon
  • Pied Avocet -- L
  • Pied Wheatear -- L
  • Pine Bunting -- L
  • Pine Grosbeak -- L
  • Pintail Snipe -- L
  • Red (Common) Crossbill
  • Red-billed Chough -- L
  • Red-crested Pochard -- L
  • Red-flanked Bluetail -- L
  • Red-necked Grebe
  • Red-throated Flycatcher -- L
  • Richard's Pipit -- L
  • Rock Dove
  • Rock Sparrow -- L
  • Rook -- L
  • Ruddy Shelduck -- L
  • Ruddy Turnstone
  • Ruff -- L
  • Rufous-tailed Robin -- L
  • Saker Falcon -- L
  • Scaly Thrush -- L
  • Sharp-tailed Sandpiper -- L
  • Siberian Accentor -- L
  • Siberian Rubythroat -- L
  • Smew -- L
  • Spotted Flycatcher -- L
  • Spotted Redshank -- L
  • Steppe Eagle -- L
  • Swan Goose -- L
  • Temminck's Stint -- L
  • Thick-billed Warbler -- L
  • Tree Pipit -- L
  • Tufted Duck -- L
  • Twite -- L
  • Upland Buzzard -- L
  • Ural Owl -- L
  • Water Pipit -- L
  • White Wagtail
  • White-cheeked Starling -- L
  • White-naped Crane -- L
  • White-winged (Two-barred) Crossbill -- L
  • White-winged Scoter
  • White-winged Tern -- L
  • Whooper Swan -- L
  • Willow Tit -- L
  • Wood Sandpiper -- L
  • Yellow-billed Grosbeak -- L
  • Yellow-browed (Inornate) Warbler -- L