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Looks like some sort of an exhaust pipe

It's the rare Arizona flying jelly-fish... actually, it looks like a bell.

Yup, we're all on for the Konchog slide show down here. The Vietnamese monks are coming and bringing the Thai monks, and one of my meditation pals has a friend in town whose Mongolian. So it'll be quite the international crowd. Hope some other locals can make it.

oh, d'oh, I just repeated what you'd written in your post. my bad.

...is it Mary Poppins?

How odd! It's a gorgeous picture, though, even with exhaust pipe/jellyfish/flying nanny/whatever. :)

it's a wind chime! was the picture taken from a window?

It looks like a lamp with an exhaust trail coming from where the base should be. Maybe someone's developing self-launching lamps?

Oh I know, it's the camera strap, hanging in front of the lens while the picture got taken. Something I do all the time!

Those are good thoughts but the part hanging from the bell/jellyfish thing is behind the top of the stupa... no ideas from me though sorry.

a fairy flying upside down?

either that or a weather balloon, lol

I watched the video and listen to a tune from Jetsunma.

First, I was wondering why moving to Sedona? Has it something to do with Castaneda's fictions, which were fairly popular at the time?

Also, I heard people explain the stupa in terms of "vortex" and "energy field" (created by circumambulation). Also that the stupa is a source of blessings even for non-buddhists, that religion does not matter etc.

Isn't that typical New Age vocabulary?

I am aware that a positive karmic connection can be created by being associated to the dharma, but (and this is my point) this a very buddhist point of view that could not be shared by others... except if some non-buddhists believe in magic or superstition in general---which is indeed independent of any religion. Isn't there a possible misunderstanding here?

About the purpose of the "mantra tunes". If it is for the fun, then it is fun! But if they are advertised something in the line "listening is beneficial", plus "religion does not matter" etc., then I have doubts again. (Note: I don't claim that it is the case. I have nothing but respect for Jetsunma.)

Something independent now. From previous posts, I noticed that the focus "Prayer works", especially "Prayer heals", seems to have a significant importance on American buddhists, despite the lack of a cultural connection with Asia---perhaps a hint at why this aspect of Christianity is so emphasised in American churches.

Lama Konchog, I remember that you told us that your master Jetsunma advised to practice Vajrasattva when somebody was sick (the cute little girl, perhaps?). Was it the same practice as found in the preliminary tantric practices (ngondro)?

Please, don't get me wrong. I believe that certain practices by oneself or by someone qualified in the benefit of oneself or someone else can be beneficial. My inquisitions are more of an anthropological nature, how Buddhism is being acclimated, adopted, reinterpreted in the West, especially in America.

Here's my rather 'blind faith' Buddhist view. It's a deva holding a parasol. My more 'normal' view, it's a camera strap with a small bell thing attached to the end. Like those things people hang on their phones. I've got one of a dorje and bell on my mala.

Christian. Prayer is something that is done as much in Buddhist tradition as in Christian ones, it looks like.

it is said that if everything arises from causes a wishing prayer can be a cause like that. In my simple view it is wonderfull when we get our minds straight to wish well for others, in any form, making prayer or building a stupa... It is done in Asia, Africa, Europe and America in dependence on spiritual traditions and independently. Why question such a thing.

It is of course meteorological baloon.
Glad to see you are doing well with your homeland adventure Konchog! Sorry I don't follow DODR so carefully, I don't have much time lately.

That is an odd pic. I haven't a clue what it is, though it does look like a bell-rocket on take off.

What relics are in the stupa? I just saw the FPMT Maitreya Project relic tour yesterday in Irvine, CA. Wonderful opportunity. Post and pics on my blog soon.

I was not questioning the usefulness and meaning of prayer in general, but wanted to understand the link between prayer and physical healing.

Perhaps it is believed in American Buddhism (if such a thing exists) that prayer heals, independently of who is praying and who is being prayed to.

There is no omnipotent God to pray for miracles, you see, and we are not saints, so this belief can be questioned, in my opinion. I am aware that, daily, millions of Buddhists make petitionary prayers, but I don't see why such a practice could not be discussed, just like the fact that, for example, in Korea, it is common practice to bow and pray in front of the altar where is the statue of the Buddha, flanked by some Mountain Spirit (coming from Shamanism) and some Immortal (coming from Taoism). Should a Buddhist pray a Daoist spirit to heal one's son? Whether the answer is yes or no, I would like to understand what the buddhadharma says about it, in terms of efficiency.

I am reading a bunch of suttas (that I don't understand, in general, unfortunately) but, so far, at no point the Buddha advises to pray. Sometimes, some lay people is said to be handicaped, but it becomes for the Buddha an occasion to discuss the karma... not healing with or without prayers.

I agree that praying for others' benefit creates merit for oneself, but this is more a side effect, it does not imply that it is effective in terms of the objective. Like practicing Vajrasattva.

So, to complete my circle, I was wondering whether the way French Buddhists pray is different than American Buddhists pray. I believe that American Protestants insist more on healing, compared to others Christian denominations, and faith and prayers are considered effective. By contrast, it is perhaps more the Catholic tradition to believe that, in this case, physical contact with a saint is required (e.g., some Catholic English and French kings have been supposed to have this power), or a prayer made by a saint, or a prayer to a saint.

I don't know. But, certainly, without questioning, I won't find the answer.

Hey, y'all. Doing this on the run (there are Washington birds to be looked at, after all) but I think here's the difference in the discussion. Prayer, to well-trained Buddhists, is not always a petition to another being to do something on your, or someone else's, behalf. And certainly not with the idea of a definitely separate, omnipotent being.

The idea we work with is that, ultimately, we are inseparable. So merit generated through prayer, mantra, stupa circumambulation, whatever, dedicated intentionally to another, can have some positive effect. It may be limited (even the fully enlightened Buddha couldn't liberate others without their cooperation) but it's not non-existent either.

Rinchen -- weren't the relics awesome? We sponsored that display in Sedona once. And don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you. I'll re-link your blog very soon. It's great you're on the wire again.

Yes. It seems to me that, most of the time in Buddhism, "wish" should be used instead of "prayer", for a lack of addressee.

It's a bell hanging from a skyhook.

no comment.

i miss coffee and cats. when are you coming back? i'm sorry i haven't checked in on you sooner but i've been in the c-side. sounds like you're having a grand american time. please enjoy a decent piece of pizza, a donut and a coffee on my behalf.

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Mongolia Bird List: "L" = Lifer

  • Amur Falcon -- L
  • Arctic (Hoary) Redpoll -- L
  • Arctic Warbler -- L
  • Asian Brown Flycatcher -- L
  • Asian Dowitcher -- L
  • Asian Short-toed Lark -- L
  • Azure Tit -- L
  • Bank Swallow
  • Bar-headed Goose -- L
  • Barn Swallow
  • Bean Goose -- L
  • Black Grouse -- L
  • Black Stork -- L
  • Black Woodpecker -- L
  • Black-billed Magpie
  • Black-eared Kite -- L
  • Black-headed Gull -- L
  • Black-tailed Godwit -- L
  • Black-winged Stilt
  • Blyth's Pipit -- L
  • Bohemian Waxwing -- L
  • Booted Eagle -- L
  • Brown Shrike -- L
  • Carrion Crow
  • Chinese Penduline Tit -- L
  • Chukar -- L
  • Cinereous Vulture
  • Citrine Wagtail -- L
  • Coal Tit
  • Common Cuckoo
  • Common Goldeneye
  • Common Greenshank -- L
  • Common Kestrel
  • Common Merganser
  • Common Pochard -- L
  • Common Raven
  • Common Redpoll
  • Common Redshank -- L
  • Common Rosefinch -- L
  • Common Sandpiper
  • Common Shelduck -- L
  • Common Snipe -- L
  • Common Starling
  • Common Swift
  • Common Tern
  • Crested Lark -- L
  • Curlew Sandpiper -- L
  • Dark-throated Thrush -- L
  • Daurian Jackdaw -- L
  • Daurian Partridge -- L
  • Daurian Redstart -- L
  • Demoiselle Crane -- L
  • Desert Warbler -- L
  • Desert Wheatear -- L
  • Dusky Thrush -- L
  • Dusky Warbler -- L
  • Eared Grebe
  • Eurasian Bullfinch -- L
  • Eurasian Coot -- L
  • Eurasian Curlew -- L
  • Eurasian Griffon
  • Eurasian Hobby
  • Eurasian Jay
  • Eurasian Nutcracker -- L
  • Eurasian Nuthatch -- L
  • Eurasian Skylark
  • Eurasian Sparrowhawk
  • Eurasian Spoonbill -- L
  • Eurasian Three-toed Woodpecker -- L
  • Eurasian Tree Sparrow
  • Eurasian Treecreeper -- L
  • Eurasian Wigeon -- L
  • Eurasian Wryneck -- L
  • Eyebrowed Thrush -- L
  • Falcated Duck -- L
  • Fork-tailed Swift -- L
  • Gadwall
  • Garganey -- L
  • Godlewski's Bunting -- L
  • Goldcrest -- L
  • Golden Eagle
  • Gray Heron
  • Gray Wagtail -- L
  • Great Cormorant
  • Great Crested Grebe
  • Great Gray Shrike -- L
  • Great Spotted Woodpecker
  • Great Tit
  • Greater Short-toed Lark -- L
  • Greater Spotted Eagle -- L
  • Green Sandpiper -- L
  • Green-winged Teal
  • Greenish Warbler -- L
  • Hawfinch -- L
  • Hazel Grouse -- L
  • Hen/Northern Harrier
  • Herring Gull
  • Hill Pigeon -- L
  • Hoopoe
  • Horned Grebe
  • Horned Lark
  • House Sparrow
  • Isabelline Shrike -- L
  • Isabelline Wheatear -- L
  • Kentish (Snowy) Plover -- L
  • Lesser Spotted Woodpecker -- L
  • Lesser Whitethroat -- L
  • Little Bunting -- L
  • Little Owl -- L
  • Little Ringed Plover
  • Long-tailed Rosefinch
  • Long-tailed Tit
  • Long-toed Stint -- L
  • Mallard
  • Marsh Sandpiper
  • Meadow Bunting -- L
  • Mew Gull -- L
  • Mongolian Finch -- L
  • Mongolian Ground-jay -- L
  • Mongolian Lark -- L
  • Northern Lapwing -- L
  • Northern Pintail
  • Northern Shoveler
  • Northern Wheatear
  • Olive-backed Pipit -- L
  • Oriental Plover -- L
  • Oriental Reed Warbler -- L
  • Oriental Turtle Dove
  • Pacific Golden-plover -- L
  • Paddyfield Warbler -- L
  • Pallas' Reed Bunting -- L
  • Pallas's Leaf Warbler -- L
  • Pallas's Sandgrouse -- L
  • Peregrine Falcon
  • Pied Avocet -- L
  • Pied Wheatear -- L
  • Pine Bunting -- L
  • Pine Grosbeak -- L
  • Pintail Snipe -- L
  • Red (Common) Crossbill
  • Red-billed Chough -- L
  • Red-crested Pochard -- L
  • Red-flanked Bluetail -- L
  • Red-necked Grebe
  • Red-throated Flycatcher -- L
  • Richard's Pipit -- L
  • Rock Dove
  • Rock Sparrow -- L
  • Rook -- L
  • Ruddy Shelduck -- L
  • Ruddy Turnstone
  • Ruff -- L
  • Rufous-tailed Robin -- L
  • Saker Falcon -- L
  • Scaly Thrush -- L
  • Sharp-tailed Sandpiper -- L
  • Siberian Accentor -- L
  • Siberian Rubythroat -- L
  • Smew -- L
  • Spotted Flycatcher -- L
  • Spotted Redshank -- L
  • Steppe Eagle -- L
  • Swan Goose -- L
  • Temminck's Stint -- L
  • Thick-billed Warbler -- L
  • Tree Pipit -- L
  • Tufted Duck -- L
  • Twite -- L
  • Upland Buzzard -- L
  • Ural Owl -- L
  • Water Pipit -- L
  • White Wagtail
  • White-cheeked Starling -- L
  • White-naped Crane -- L
  • White-winged (Two-barred) Crossbill -- L
  • White-winged Scoter
  • White-winged Tern -- L
  • Whooper Swan -- L
  • Willow Tit -- L
  • Wood Sandpiper -- L
  • Yellow-billed Grosbeak -- L
  • Yellow-browed (Inornate) Warbler -- L